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left eye dominate but right handed

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I am left eye dominante and right handed.  Actually when I first started shooting a bow there where no sights avaiable.  I recently bout one of those fiber optic sights and built a bridge over so I can use my left eye.  I also bought a laser pointer and mounted it so I can sight it the fiber optic sight.  So far so good.  All I need is time right now to fine tune.

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> I am left eye dominante and right handed.  Actually when I first started > shooting a bow there where no sights avaiable.  I recently bout one of those > fiber optic sights and built a bridge over so I can use my left eye.  I also > bought a laser pointer and mounted it so I can sight it the fiber optic > sight.  So far so good.  All I need is time right now to fine tune.

If it’s a laser pointer that projects a dot onto the target, bear in mind you CANNOT use those at competitions. As far as I know, anyway. Tom

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Two things that will improve your accuracy. One The no-peep made by timberline sights and the second is to wear a patch over your eye. Timberline no-peep has solved this problem for many archers as well as my wife that is left eye dominate and right handed. Check them out on the web, they have a websight.

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>Timberline no-peep has solved this problem for many archers

Is it accurate enough for FITA target shooting? — Sven

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> >Timberline no-peep has solved this problem for many archers > Is it accurate enough for FITA target shooting?

I have just read their website: http://www.timberline-archery.com/np.html And they seem to think so. I wonder if I would be able to get one of these in South Africa. —  SENILE.COM found… Out Of Memory… Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf) Kernel 2.4.2-2   8:50pm  up 20 days,  7:02,  2 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00

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>I have just read their website: >http://www.timberline-archery.com/np.html >And they seem to think so. I wonder if I would be able to get one of >these in South Africa.

Why not? They will ship all over the world. — Sven

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The timberline no-peep is another product that belongs in a junk bin.  The reason for this is because you cannot focus on two different things in tow different spots at the same time.  The no-peep sits below the sight pins and in order to check it and line it up you have to take your eyes off of the target.  As many target archers can tell you this is detrimental.  You have to have a focus up at the pins to line up the no-peep then you have to refocus on the gold to line up the sight.  In the refocus you have no idea if the no-peep is telling you are lined up or not.  With a peep you are just linning up simple circles all in the same line of sight which is very easy to do.  Also with a peep you can have your eyes on the target and leave them there.  In my opinion a shooter would be much better ging without anything on the string rather tahtn shooting a no-peep. Archeryking – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Timberline no-peep has solved this problem for many archers > Is it accurate enough for FITA target shooting? > — > Sven

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Hello      Just thought that I would give my 2 cents worth on the no-peep. I agree completely that you have to give the target your whole undivided attention, but I do have a no-peep on my bow, and I also have a peep. I look thru the peep the conventional way, and I only use my no-peep to tell me if I am torquing the bow left or right, and if I am using to much high or low hand pressure on the grip. My bow is set up so when I sight thru the peep, the no-peep just appears above my scope. I don’t have to actually look at the no-peep, as I can see it in my peripheral vision just above the scope. If the dot is squarely in the circle, than I know that I am holding the bow the same consistently. You would be surprised to see just how much off you are holding your bow when you first get to the range to practice. The first half dozen or so arrows that you draw back, you will usually be off a tiny bit one way or the other, and the no-peep lets you see that right away. It also lets you know if you are still holding the bow the same after you have shot about 75 to a 100 arrows, and you are starting to feel tired. It gets me putting my hand in the proper position from the very first arrow, all the way to my last shot. I don’t think that I would actually trust only the no-peep with the scope, as I still think that two fixed points of reference are better than one. That’s how I use it, and it seems to work for me. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The timberline no-peep is another product that belongs in a junk bin.  The > reason for this is because you cannot focus on two different things in tow > different spots at the same time.  The no-peep sits below the sight pins and > in order to check it and line it up you have to take your eyes off of the > target.  As many target archers can tell you this is detrimental.  You have > to have a focus up at the pins to line up the no-peep then you have to > refocus on the gold to line up the sight.  In the refocus you have no idea > if the no-peep is telling you are lined up or not.  With a peep you are just > linning up simple circles all in the same line of sight which is very easy > to do.  Also with a peep you can have your eyes on the target and leave them > there.  In my opinion a shooter would be much better ging without anything > on the string rather tahtn shooting a no-peep. > Archeryking > >Timberline no-peep has solved this problem for many archers > Is it accurate enough for FITA target shooting? > — > Sven

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>……that belongs in a junk bin

Thanks for your opinion. I thought something similar like that. — Sven

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello >      Just thought that I would give my 2 cents worth on the no-peep. I agree > completely that you have to give the target your whole undivided attention, > but I do have a no-peep on my bow, and I also have a peep. I look thru the > peep the conventional way, and I only use my no-peep to tell me if I am > torquing the bow left or right, and if I am using to much high or low hand > pressure on the grip. My bow is set up so when I sight thru the peep, the > no-peep just appears above my scope. I don’t have to actually look at the > no-peep, as I can see it in my peripheral vision just above the scope. If > the dot is squarely in the circle, than I know that I am holding the bow the > same consistently. You would be surprised to see just how much off you are > holding your bow when you first get to the range to practice. The first half > dozen or so arrows that you draw back, you will usually be off a tiny bit > one way or the other, and the no-peep lets you see that right away. It also > lets you know if you are still holding the bow the same after you have shot > about 75 to a 100 arrows, and you are starting to feel tired. It gets me > putting my hand in the proper position from the very first arrow, all the > way to my last shot. I don’t think that I would actually trust only the > no-peep with the scope, as I still think that two fixed points of reference > are better than one. That’s how I use it, and it seems to work for me.

Hi. Thanks for the post. Very interesting. I hope I can get hold of a no-peep, (Sven, Archery stuff is pretty hard to find here in SA, esp. newer products). The problem I have with the peep sight is that annoying rubber tube. It either breaks or comes off the anchor point or peep, and when this happens while at full draw, it is a bit of a problem. The ones without the tube is also a bit annoying, as sometimes it rotates a bit and one of the strands of the string gets in front of your eye. —  Army Law:           If it moves, salute it; if it doesn’t move, pick it up; if you           can’t pick it up, paint it. Red Hat Linux release 7.1 (Seawolf) Kernel 2.4.2-2  10:11am  up 20 days, 20:24,  2 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.03

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> The problem I have with the peep sight is that annoying rubber tube. > It either breaks or comes off the anchor point or peep, and when this > happens while at full draw, it is a bit of a problem. The ones without > the tube is also a bit annoying, as sometimes it rotates a bit and one > of the strands of the string gets in front of your eye.

You can get Zebra Twist or Tiger Twist strings (only difference is what they make them out of, not in the theory) These are where there is an inner core where the strands are twisted one direction, and there is another layer going the opposite way. Thus, in theory, the peep remains in the same place and doesn’t twist at all. I know you can get them from Bowsports.com, FWIW. Tom

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> I am left eye dominante and right handed.  Actually when I first started > shooting a bow there where no sights avaiable.  I recently bout one of those > fiber optic sights and built a bridge over so I can use my left eye.  I also > bought a laser pointer and mounted it so I can sight it the fiber optic > sight.  So far so good.  All I need is time right now to fine tune.

I’m left eye / right handed too. I just shoot left handed and leave it at that!

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You don’t know what your talking about, thats not how it works at all. simply line the dot up with the pin and thats it. it actually improves accuracy and your form. giving you a perfect line to the target. I don’t know where you come up with this crap. Every archer I know that is left eye dominate but right handed has improved their scores a great deal. My wife is a perfect example she has one more troughies and other things since using the timberline no-peep system. it just makes you have perfect form and accuracy.

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yes it is, once you learn how to use it.

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Shoot a lot of FITA Target Tournaments, do you ?     > You don’t know what your talking about, thats not how it works at all. > simply line the dot up with the pin and thats it. it actually improves > accuracy and your form. giving you a perfect line to the target. I don’t > know where you come up with this crap. Every archer I know that is left > eye dominate but right handed has improved their scores a great deal. My > wife is a perfect example she has one more troughies and other things > since using the timberline no-peep system. it just makes you have > perfect form and accuracy.

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I am 110% correct.  You have to use your periferal vision to try to line up this product correctly.  and your mind is very capable of doing so.  Teh problem is you line up a circle and a dot with nothing.  and they are not in the direct line of sight  remember they are in your periferal vision.  Plus you still have to try to concentrate on linning up the pin with the target. Secondly your eyes should be focused on the target and your mind should be at executing the shot and not worrying about linning something up in your periferal vision.  When things are in ine it is very easy to line them up and you mind can do so automaticlly but with objects that are not in line it becomes very difficult. Archeryking – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You don’t know what your talking about, thats not how it works at all. > simply line the dot up with the pin and thats it. it actually improves > accuracy and your form. giving you a perfect line to the target. I don’t > know where you come up with this crap. Every archer I know that is left > eye dominate but right handed has improved their scores a great deal. My > wife is a perfect example she has one more troughies and other things > since using the timberline no-peep system. it just makes you have > perfect form and accuracy.

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You don’t know what your talking about, thats not how it works at all. simply line the dot up with the pin and thats it. it actually improves accuracy and your form. giving you a perfect line to the target. I don’t know where you come up with this crap. Every archer I know that is left eye dominate but right handed has improved their scores a great deal. My wife is a perfect example she has one more troughies and other things since using the timberline no-peep system. it just makes you have perfect form and accuracy.  Gee, isn’t that what practice is for ? Forget the gizmo’s and gadgets and get down to practice and working on form..We only practice on the days we eat, right ??….

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<snip> >since using the timberline no-peep system. it just makes you have >perfect form and accuracy. > Gee, isn’t that what practice is for ? Forget the gizmo’s and gadgets and get >down to practice and working on form..We only practice on the days we eat, >right ??….

Careful about quoting other posts there spotshooter… for a moment there I thought you had written the mail that you replied to! Thought you were MACD by another name LOL. You should set up your AOL to add ‘>’ symbols to the front of quoted messages to avoid misunderstanding.

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Archery King, So what your saying is that you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time? If you have never used it, how can you make a clear and educated statement about the product? I know it works and there are many archers that either have trouble using a peep system or don’t like a peep or are left eye dominate but are right handed that have greatly benifited from it.

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> If you have never used it, how can you make a clear and educated > statement about the product?

If you hit your head with a hammer, do you have to try it with every brand to figure out it hurts? M

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Although I don’t know if you could walk and chew gum at the same time it is a `similar principle.  Onlyt think of it as walking and chewing with percision.  Try it it is very hard to do.  Step onto a walking machine that measures your stride and try to keep a constant stride for a while.  it is not as easy as it sounds. I have tried the product.  I basically field tested it because we had some interest in it at the shop I worked for. I found that there was too much room for error without getting feedback.  Basically the margine of error is too great for long range accuracy.  Their are other aiming tools on the market that are far better even for someone shooting cross dominant. The far best thing is really for a shooter to shoot with their dominant eye even if it would mean shooting with their nondominant hand.  But because it is a difficult way of shooting most people say I can shoot better with my dominant hand right now so it must be better.  A shooter can learn to shoot with their non dominant hand but to the best of my knowledge their still is no way for a shooter to change their eye dominance.  It could be possible in a younger child as the koreans seem to do but that is a shole psychological discussion I don’t want to think about rihgt now. Archeryking – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Archery King, > So what your saying is that you can’t walk and chew gum at the same > time? > If you have never used it, how can you make a clear and educated > statement about the product? I know it works and there are many archers > that either have trouble using a peep system or don’t like a peep or are > left eye dominate but are right handed that have greatly benifited from > it.

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>A shooter can learn to shoot >with their non dominant hand but to the best of my knowledge their still is >no way for a shooter to change their eye dominance.

Speaking from one who has almost no dominance with either eye… It’s simple – close the dominant eye… result is 100% dominance with the other one. Or, as MACD said earlier "put a patch on". Okay, so visual acuity is much better with both eyes, but it’s really not that bad with just one – no gadget’s required… and don’t get me started on the "tension in facial muscles" nonsense.

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The reason I didn’t mention closing one eye or putting a patch on is becuase doing this has some pretty good drawback that for some hurt them more than help them.  Byt shooting with only the image from one eye you loose depth perception wich is gotten mainly from that dominant eye.  Another thing alot of people have trouble with is seeing the pin but focusing on the target. Although this is a problem that some shooters who use their dominant eye have also. The amin reason that I don’t reccomend just closeing your dominant eye is becuase from my understanding it truely doesn’t change the eye dominance at all.  Your brain takes the image from your dominant eye and considers that to be what you see and then clears that image up by using the non dominant eye. When you close you dominant eye your brain still takes that image and says this is what I see, but here it see nothing so it sets it aside and places the non dominant eye image on top.  Because the non dominant eye image is basically the secondary image your sub concious doesn’t want to use it as well as the domanint image.  Your sub concious should be what you use to aim.  If it’s not wanting to use the image it’s getting or it’s using the second image then it’s not responding as quickly and it is not as accurate as it could be.  I realize that this is somewhat "splitting hairs" but it seems that non dominant visual shooters get to a certain skill level (different for each shooter) and then have to work harder than a dominant eyed shooter to pass that point.  The reason for that seems to be that their brain is trying to change synapse responces that are very strong. Just our of curiosity when do the the tension of facial muscles effect your shot.  My thoughts would be that you would really have to tighten your face to make a difference. Archeryking

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->A shooter can learn to shoot >with their non dominant hand but to the best of my knowledge their still is >no way for a shooter to change their eye dominance. > Speaking from one who has almost no dominance with either eye… > It’s simple – close the dominant eye… result is 100% dominance with > the other one. Or, as MACD said earlier "put a patch on". Okay, so > visual acuity is much better with both eyes, but it’s really not that > bad with just one – no gadget’s required… and don’t get me started > on the "tension in facial muscles" nonsense.

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<snip brain responses to dominant and non-dominant eyes> I’d have to disagree with your conclusions, but I’m not qualified to argue te point scientifically. All I can say is that IMO impulses from an active receptor will always flood and override any input from a non-active one, ther is no "overlay". We use both eyes to determine distance and if the brain response was so out of kilter then those who had no "dominant eye" would be much better at judging distance. There are other factors in dominance too (relative stremgth of eye muscles, etc) but I won’t go there! (*phew* says the crowd). >Just our of curiosity when do the the tension of facial muscles effect your >shot.  My thoughts would be that you would really have to tighten your face >to make a difference.

There have been several articles on the internet and other resources over the years indicating that one good reason not to shoot with one eye closed is because of the effect of the contraction of facial muscles on the shot… having seen the contortions some top archers go through facially (including blinking at full draw!) I say "rubbish".

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I found some info on the net that pertains to this topic. I know it is about rifle/pistol shooting but the effects of cross dominance are pretty much the same in most and possibly all hsooting sports. http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/dec96agingeyes.html Archeryking

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > <snip brain responses to dominant and non-dominant eyes> > I’d have to disagree with your conclusions, but I’m not qualified to > argue te point scientifically. All I can say is that IMO impulses from > an active receptor will always flood and override any input from a > non-active one, ther is no "overlay". We use both eyes to determine > distance and if the brain response was so out of kilter then those who > had no "dominant eye" would be much better at judging distance. There > are other factors in dominance too (relative stremgth of eye muscles, > etc) but I won’t go there! (*phew* says the crowd). >Just our of curiosity when do the the tension of facial muscles effect your >shot.  My thoughts would be that you would really have to tighten your face >to make a difference. > There have been several articles on the internet and other resources > over the years indicating that one good reason not to shoot with one > eye closed is because of the effect of the contraction of facial > muscles on the shot… having seen the contortions some top archers go > through facially (including blinking at full draw!) I say "rubbish".

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