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GNAS Leader Award, UK Yorkshire-ish

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Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a failry cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level to start at? Cheers Barry

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> Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a failry > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level to > start at? > Cheers > Barry

Legend has it that Durham Uni or someone was running one. We (UYAC) have been trying to get onto one that York Archers run, but no-one appears to know much about that one. Probably going to start when term does (ish) – around beginning of October? Tom — Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself I’m A Man Of Wealth And Taste…

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Shame that the GNAS or the few coaches that run the Leaders courses dont advertise them better. There seems to be a constant demand for them, but only universities and holiday camps ever seem to run them, and then it is for their own students/staff only. Personally, I think the idea of the Archery Leader outside of archery clubs is a bit of an "own goal" on behalf of GNAS. Where I live, we have a few Archery leaders who run leisure centers, scout groups etc. Most of them do not have an archery background, know very little about the sport, and do very little to promote the sport. They go on a short course to learn the basics of teaching. Subsequently, I suspect that many people whose only contact with the sport is in the facilities offered by these leaders, have a very limited idea of what archery is all about. (go to the leisure center, shoot a few arrows at 10 yards, go home, big deal)  Local archery clubs (with leaders in them) are much better equipped to give the beginner a fuller idea of all of the aspects of archery, and the potential within the sport. (Proper support from archers who know what they are talking about, target archery, field archery, longbows, compound bows, chance to mingle with other archers, social aspects of the club, classification scheme, incentive schemes, competitions, coaching, chance to be an olympic champion, more exciting, coming back next week) I am not saying all archery leaders are as I describe, this is just my opinion as I see it, and I do not intend to offend anyone, especially the good archery leaders who are keen archers and do good for the sport.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a failry > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level to > start at? > Cheers > Barry > Legend has it that Durham Uni or someone was running one. We (UYAC) have > been trying to get onto one that York Archers run, but no-one appears to > know much about that one. Probably going to start when term does (ish) – > around beginning of October? > Tom > — > Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself > I’m A Man Of Wealth And Taste…

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Shame that the GNAS or the few coaches that run the Leaders courses dont advertise them better. There seems to be a constant demand for them, but only universities and holiday camps ever seem to run them, and then it is for their own students/staff only. Personally, I think the idea of the Archery Leader outside of archery clubs is a bit of an "own goal" on behalf of GNAS. Where I live, we have a few Archery leaders who run leisure centers, scout groups etc. Most of them do not have an archery background, know very little about the sport, and do very little to promote the sport. They go on a short course to learn the basics of teaching and then spread their lack of knowledge in the wider community Subsequently, I suspect that many people whose only contact with the sport is in the facilities offered by these leaders, have a very limited idea of what archery is all about. (go to the leisure center, shoot a few arrows at 10 yards, go home, big deal)  Local archery clubs (with leaders in them) are much better equipped to give the beginner a fuller idea of all of the aspects of archery, and the potential within the sport. (Proper support from archers who know what they are talking about, target archery, field archery, longbows, compound bows, chance to mingle with other archers, social aspects of the club, classification scheme, incentive schemes, competitions, coaching, chance to be an olympic champion, more exciting, coming back next week) Our local uni puts on a leaders course every year and it is booked solid always, but none of these ever filter into the local archery clubs, and the local archery clubs never get any referals from people who have done archery with the archery leaders. I am not saying all archery leaders are as I describe, this is just my opinion as I see it, and I do not intend to offend anyone, especially the good archery leaders who are keen archers and do good for the sport.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a failry > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level to > start at? > Cheers > Barry > Legend has it that Durham Uni or someone was running one. We (UYAC) have > been trying to get onto one that York Archers run, but no-one appears to > know much about that one. Probably going to start when term does (ish) – > around beginning of October? > Tom > — > Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself > I’m A Man Of Wealth And Taste…

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Hi I’m an ASL, I’ve passed my archery leaders course.  It is the only one you can start with and also the best for scouting. Ask your Area/Distrect Commissioner.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a failry > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level to > start at? > Cheers > Barry

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> Personally, I think the idea of the Archery Leader outside of archery clubs > is a bit of an "own goal" on behalf of GNAS.

It’s not the GNAS’s idea but the in the main the  Local Authority and organisations such as the Scout Association, they will as a rule simply specify National Governing Body rules for most sports coaching activities rather than create their own rules for the hundreds of different activities that they might offer. — Marc T Shirts, Sweatshirts, polo shirts, banners, signs,decals, stickers etc for clubs and associations of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/

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Just to put the record straight, the Community Sport Leader Award for Archery, commonly known as Leader is for use ONLY outside of GNAS archery. It is a qualification for people who are not archers, i.e Teachers, Scout Leaders, Leisure Centre Staff etc. to be able to gain a basic level certificate that allows them to teach beginners archery. It is not intended for use within GNAS. Within GNAS archery, the basic grade of coach is now the Assistant Coach, leading to Coach, County Coach etc. This structure is totally separate from that of the Leader.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi I’m an ASL, I’ve passed my archery leaders course.  It is the only one > you can start with and also the best for scouting. > Ask your Area/Distrect Commissioner. > Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a > failry > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level > to > start at? > Cheers > Barry

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So it is ok for someone who has no background in archery, and no interest in the sport to have minimal knowledge about how to try to teach some beginner how to shoot, but GNAS archers have to put in much more hard work, must have been gnas member for over 1 year, to gain an assistant coaches qualification to teach the same people? This doesnt seem right. My club has a number of  people that, as competent archers are able to teach beginners the basics of shooting, but have no "qualification" or title to qualify them to teach the sport, but the assistant at the local leisure center, who doesnt shoot, can make money putting bows and arrows in beginners hands and pointing them at the target, because he is a "GNAS QUALIFIED LEADER" This just doesnt seem right.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Just to put the record straight, the Community Sport Leader Award for > Archery, commonly known as Leader is for use ONLY outside of GNAS archery. > It is a qualification for people who are not archers, i.e Teachers, Scout > Leaders, Leisure Centre Staff etc. to be able to gain a basic level > certificate that allows them to teach beginners archery. > It is not intended for use within GNAS. > Within GNAS archery, the basic grade of coach is now the Assistant Coach, > leading to Coach, County Coach etc. This structure is totally separate from > that of the Leader. > Hi I’m an ASL, I’ve passed my archery leaders course.  It is the only one > you can start with and also the best for scouting. > Ask your Area/Distrect Commissioner. > > Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a > failry > > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best level > to > > start at? > > Cheers > > Barry

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Correct. However, don’t blame GNAS, the same applies to all sports. There is nothing in GNAS that says only qualified coaches can teach or coach people in archery. Any archer can teach or coach anyone else. The use of qualified coaches is a means of trying to ensure that the same standards are applied anywhere in the country.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> So it is ok for someone who has no background in archery, and no interest in > the sport to have minimal knowledge about how to try to teach some beginner > how to shoot, but GNAS archers have to put in much more hard work, must have > been gnas member for over 1 year, to gain an assistant coaches qualification > to teach the same people? This doesnt seem right. > My club has a number of  people that, as competent archers are able to teach > beginners the basics of shooting, but have no "qualification" or title to > qualify them to teach the sport, but the assistant at the local leisure > center, who doesnt shoot, can make money putting bows and arrows in > beginners hands and pointing them at the target, because he is a "GNAS > QUALIFIED LEADER" > This just doesnt seem right. > Just to put the record straight, the Community Sport Leader Award for > Archery, commonly known as Leader is for use ONLY outside of GNAS archery. > It is a qualification for people who are not archers, i.e Teachers, Scout > Leaders, Leisure Centre Staff etc. to be able to gain a basic level > certificate that allows them to teach beginners archery. > It is not intended for use within GNAS. > Within GNAS archery, the basic grade of coach is now the Assistant Coach, > leading to Coach, County Coach etc. This structure is totally separate > from > that of the Leader. > > Hi I’m an ASL, I’ve passed my archery leaders course.  It is the only > one > > you can start with and also the best for scouting. > > Ask your Area/Distrect Commissioner. > > > Can anyone help, I am wanting to take my GNAS Leader award and need a > > failry > > > cheap provide in the Yorkshire area. > > > It is for use in Scouting, can anybody tell me if this is the best > level > > to > > > start at? > > > Cheers > > > Barry

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> So it is ok for someone who has no background in archery, and no interest in > the sport to have minimal knowledge about how to try to teach some beginner > how to shoot,

Yes, why not? There are a great number of young people who’s first introduction to archery is at a Scout camp or school activity holiday, are you suggesting that all of the people exposing them to archery should be regular archers? If you are that would reduce dramatically the number of young people trying archery > but GNAS archers have to put in much more hard work, must have > been gnas member for over 1 year, to gain an assistant coaches qualification > to teach the same people? This doesnt seem right.

They aren’t teaching "the same people" they will now be teaching someone that has expressed an interest in archery and has joined a club to further that interest, the pupils will be expecting a far higher level of coaching. > My club has a number of  people that, as competent archers are able to teach > beginners the basics of shooting, >but have no "qualification" or title to > qualify them to teach the sport,

There is no reason that "competent archer" and good teacher/coach should be  synonomous, leaving aside how good an archer they are , have they had any instruction in teaching/coaching techniques, have they any knowledge of any bad habits that they have and may be passing on, have the been told about child protection issues?  There is a lot more to being a good tutor than simp,y being able to shoot yourself > but the assistant at the local leisure > center, who doesnt shoot, can make money putting bows and arrows in > beginners hands and pointing them at the target, because he is a "GNAS > QUALIFIED LEADER" > This just doesnt seem right.

Take it up with the local authority I’m sure if you impress them with your argument enough they will be quite happy to drop archery completely. — Marc T Shirts, Sweatshirts, polo shirts, banners, signs,decals, stickers etc for clubs and associations of all types http://www.jaceeprint.demon.co.uk/

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> There is a lot more to > being a good tutor than simply being able to shoot yourself

If you can do this, you’ve got the bow the wrong way round HooDooWitch

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or very, very poor form. > There is a lot more to > being a good tutor than simply being able to shoot yourself > If you can do this, you’ve got the bow the wrong way round > HooDooWitch

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Not necessarily. I heard about a guy shooting himself in the foot some years back… He had a *very* weird drawing technique, apparently… I can just see it now: "JUDGE!" "Move back off the line please" "I can’t… I’m nailed here…" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There is a lot more to > being a good tutor than simply being able to shoot yourself > If you can do this, you’ve got the bow the wrong way round > HooDooWitch

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> Not necessarily. I heard about a guy shooting himself in the foot some > years back… He had a *very* weird drawing technique, apparently… > I can just see it now: > "JUDGE!" > "Move back off the line please" > "I can’t… I’m nailed here…"

I get the feeling that the ARC collection of photos is going to get brought out again here – arrow through the back of hand, broadhead through skull, etc. Tom — Please Allow Me To Introduce Myself I’m A Man Of Wealth And Taste…

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