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Advances in olympic style archery?

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I got a thought sparked into my head and I figured I would find out what others out there think.  Has olympic style archery really made any advances recently? Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are a little over 1300.  Now the top scores have gone up and a decent amount but has the equipment really evolved to bring that score up or have we found better ways to train a shooter both physically and mentally to shoot that type of a score? Archeryking

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>Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum >arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy >machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are >a little over 1300.

Uh, better check the records or results at any world class event.  1300-1320 won’t even put you in the top 10 at a major event.

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On one hand you hear about the Korean archers essentially scoring things to their benefit, in ways that make their records somewhat suspect.  But they also produce a higher number of top-flight archers than most other countries.  They do this through a somewhat coldly efficient program of identifying kids with potential and dropping those without, but one that invests a HUGE national effort.  FAR MORE than any other country, including the US which is frankly pathetic in recognizing and supporting the sport compared to Korea.   Ask the average pedestrian on the US street about Olympic Archery in the US and he’ll say, olympic WHAT????? All that said, Korea has raised the overall level of "average" to a new height.<G> But archery remains a sport of the "unique individual" with exceptional ability – the Justin Huishes, the Michele Frangilis, the Magnussons, the Rick McKinneys, etc…..that 300 years ago would have been the personal archers of the kings….able to hit the proverbial gnat at a hundred paces…… All the new technology does is perpetuate the sport and provide an avenue of evolution for the lesser archers to follow and achieve better scores than they would have, given the same amount of effort.  In other words I think the techie stuff substitutes for "sweat" in many cases.   CERTAINLY in the case of compound bow archery this is the case. Just my opinion, of course….. he said, raising shields and sprintin’ fer cover from all the incoming…..:) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I got a thought sparked into my head and I figured I would find out what > others out there think.  Has olympic style archery really made any advances > recently? > Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum > arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy > machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are > a little over 1300.  Now the top scores have gone up and a decent amount but > has the equipment really evolved to bring that score up or have we found > better ways to train a shooter both physically and mentally to shoot that > type of a score? > Archeryking

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It’s pretty clear that world class athletes are more fit these days than they were 20 years ago, and that includes archery. 20 years ago you would never hear archers talking about cardio-vascular and weight training, now there are articles about this in archery magazines and most folks that are serious do at least some non-archery training. The mental game has come a long ways too. Certainly the technology has helped a great deal, but I think that most of the advances come from improvements in training and shooting mechanics. My opinion, of course. — Arlington, Massachusetts USA

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Does anyone mind if a newbie puts in his $.02? It seems to me that most of the advances in technology benefit the "hobbyist" as opposed to the "dedicated athlete",  much the same as in golf. Tiger Woods would still be Tiger Woods, even if he were playing with wood shafts and iron heads, whereas carbon shafts and alloy heads may allow me to trim 5 or 6 strokes off my game. Likewise with archery. If I were to spend the money for a Hoyt, or a Yamaha, I might add even 100 points to my score, but would still not be in the category of an Olympian. (Sorry, I’m one of those who, up until 6 months ago would have said "Olympic what?!?!) Thoughts? peace christopher

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a thought sparked into my head and I figured I would find out what > others out there think.  Has olympic style archery really made any advances > recently? > Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum > arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy > machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are > a little over 1300.  Now the top scores have gone up and a decent amount but > has the equipment really evolved to bring that score up or have we found > better ways to train a shooter both physically and mentally to shoot that > type of a score? > Archeryking

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I was at a recent training seminar and was fortunate enough to hear Simon Fairweather. Among the gems was a comment that "there are no amateur athletes these days. You may not get paid for it, but that’s a different matter" . He was very much referring to the training regime that he, and no doubt most other top archers, follows. OTOH, Jackson Fear still holds aWorld Record, and its perhaps fair to say that he’s not the perfect physical specimen. http://www.arco-frecce.com/cam/Foto_Migliori_del_Mondo/fear1.jpg Ian – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It’s pretty clear that world class athletes are more fit these days > than they were 20 years ago, and that includes archery. 20 years ago > you would never hear archers talking about cardio-vascular and weight > training, now there are articles about this in archery magazines and > most folks that are serious do at least some non-archery training. > The mental game has come a long ways too. > Certainly the technology has helped a great deal, but I think that > most of the advances come from improvements in training and shooting > mechanics. > My opinion, of course. > — > Arlington, Massachusetts USA

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And just look at the fita page and see the scores of the top ten. www.archery.org Greatings Frans – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a thought sparked into my head and I figured I would find out what > others out there think.  Has olympic style archery really made any advances > recently? > Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum > arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy > machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are > a little over 1300.  Now the top scores have gone up and a decent amount but > has the equipment really evolved to bring that score up or have we found > better ways to train a shooter both physically and mentally to shoot that > type of a score? > Archeryking

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We were having this same discussion the other night at our club, spurred by a traditional shooter who had stopped by our JOAD practice and wanted to know what kind of FITA bow he should buy. Consensus was that a Hoyt GM with some good limbs, didn’t HAVE to be carbon/foam, would be just fine and is still very capable of posting a winning score in many tournaments. I think the wisest comment during the discussion was that while the newest equipment may not seem to be raising the very top scores too much, the new stuff does allow mere mortals to post higher scores, perhaps adding to their/our/my overall enjoyment of the sport. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I got a thought sparked into my head and I figured I would find out what > others out there think.  Has olympic style archery really made any advances > recently? > Basically 20 years ago Darrel Pace was shooting a Hoyt GM with aluminum > arrows at around 200fps and he shot a 1300+score.  Now we have Fancy > machined risers, carbon limbs, carbon arrows, and still the best scores are > a little over 1300.  Now the top scores have gone up and a decent amount but > has the equipment really evolved to bring that score up or have we found > better ways to train a shooter both physically and mentally to shoot that > type of a score? > Archeryking

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